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Yes lots of Jeeps and 4wd's running about town here, Some as old as the 1950s even. The Eagle sold quick and fairly high, and the Wagoneer I had sold before I had sticker in it for $3,000 higher than I was going to ask for it even.

I think being that my father, worked for Packard, Studebaker, American Motors, and AM General as well as grew up around all the other Independent brands. So I think that and the fact that him and his brothers ran this shop for a few years.

I bought the operation after they shut it down due to lack of time, I been doing ok on the GM's and Ford's but this shop was once ran as an Independent brand hotrod/resto shop.

So they mainly delt with Studebaker, Packard, Nash, Hudson, REO, AMC, and few others I am sure.
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My father retired Sept-2012 from AM General, he also worked for Packard, Studebaker, and American Motors.

I am currently kicking around the idea of bring him in to help run things. Possibly start a new "division" just for the Independent brands?

He says I put to much into the AMC's I built said "if you would just kept it simple and profit would have been made" now I don't know as I fully understand what he ment maybe he knows something I don't.

This shop I'm running was once his hobby shop, I turned into a full time business about 10 years ago.

Thoughts on this move? Yay ? Nay ?

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Sounds like a good move if you want to do more of the less popular cars, with a bonus of making dad feel useful. I appraise a few vehicles a year, mostly AMCs. POPULARITY drives prices and makes for quick flips. You must have a good 4x4 contingent in your area, that would explain why the SX/4 went fairly quick -- nice medium duty trail rig (I'm thinking old logging tracks and rough roads, not over any big rocks or through more than about a foot of mud) and comfortable too, compared to a Jeep. Plus it's a bit of a novelty. Heck, maybe you just got lucky and hit the right person at the right time.

What your dad means is just get the car presentable and reliable. Don't do a full drivetrain rebuild, just put in valve stem seals if it smokes a little but still has good power. Only do enough to make it run well. If a customer gets interested and has a minor complaint negotiate additional repairs as necessary in the sale price. Basically just "fix it up" and don't worry a whole lot about 100% originality. Ramblers are the "entry level" cars in the old car hobby. To do a proper resto costs a lot, but to make a nice cruiser doesn't have to. Period looking aftermarket seat covers from LeBarron-Bonney are fine, and anywhere from 25-50% of the cost of getting original material and repairing or having covers made, and they make the car look nice and be an inexpensive, fun cruiser. Once someone falls in love with the car they can decide if they want to spend the extra money or enjoy it as is. Most opt for the later when they see they can't really get their money back from a 100% r
esto, but some will want to spend the dough simply because they like the car. In that case you're spending for your personal enjoyment and a later sale doesn't matter. That's where most of us are!

The AMXs are a bit of a quandry. They need to be right to bring big money, but a good looking reliable driver that you don't have a lot into should still sale and make you a bit of profit, but not like a Mustang or Camaro. Mainly because as you noted, parts are out there but more expensive due to lower demand/volume. The AMC vendors get 100 repop parts made and take 3-5 years to sell out, the Mustang guys get 1000 and sell out in six months to a year.

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Editor - American Motors Cars Magazine
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If RockAuto won't refund, throw the Fram PH11 in the trash, worst filter
made, open one up sometime and see what is NOT inside.....

Armand

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> Just bought things from Rock Auto for the first time.
> Quite happy
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> Lots of drum brake car parts..
> AMC rear axel seals..
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> I should have bought more than 20..
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And it COULD be again.   Get with afinity-investors on the Net and order a custom-built, 3-D, metallic-substrate, 3-D replicator, and offer to do body-metal for ANY of the independents.  With the right software, a photo could be your "blueprint" for an all-metal REO fender, for example.  Include Hupp & Graham, too, although to REALLY pay-off your operation, do sheetmetal for Tuckers, Duesies, Bugattis, and ANY custom-bodied Bentley, Rolls, or other classic-era coach-built auto.   It would not take more than a weekend to 3-D a fender.   The Stutz Palm Beach had an early version of vinyl, so you'd need framing for those.   With the right software & materials, you could do engines all the way to installed gaskets.   I wonder if a Duesenberg super-charged, straight-8, NEW, ready-to-run, would bring $50K?    Just hang-on.  Car-collecting will be revolutionized with a 3-D replicator.   Want an AMX III?  Want a one-of-one, EXACT-copy of a
DeSoto Adventurer I, including new, Hemi-power?  Repro the body panels within a week, in stainless, if you wish.   Got an AMX that HAS to have full quarters on both sides?   The parts can be 3-D'd, the same as factory and maybe Better!   NOS is someday going to be obsolete/un-necessary.

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Yes lots of Jeeps and 4wd's running about town here, Some as old as the 1950s even. The Eagle sold quick and fairly high, and the Wagoneer I had sold before I had sticker in it for $3,000 higher than I was going to ask for it even.

I think being that my father, worked for Packard, Studebaker, American Motors, and AM General as well as grew up around all the other Independent brands. So I think that and the fact that him and his brothers ran this shop for a few years.

I bought the operation after they shut it down due to lack of time, I been doing ok on the GM's and Ford's but this shop was once ran as an Independent brand hotrod/resto shop.

So they mainly delt with Studebaker, Packard, Nash, Hudson, REO, AMC, and few others I am sure.
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My father retired Sept-2012 from AM General, he also worked for Packard, Studebaker, and American Motors.

I am currently kicking around the idea of bring him in to help run things. Possibly start a new "division" just for the Independent brands?

He says I put to much into the AMC's I built said "if you would just kept it simple and profit would have been made" now I don't know as I fully understand what he ment maybe he knows something I don't.

This shop I'm running was once his hobby shop, I turned into a full time business about 10 years ago.

Thoughts on this move? Yay ? Nay ?

==============================

Sounds like a good move if you want to do more of the less popular cars, with a bonus of making dad feel useful. I appraise a few vehicles a year, mostly AMCs. POPULARITY drives prices and makes for quick flips. You must have a good 4x4 contingent in your area, that would explain why the SX/4 went fairly quick -- nice medium duty trail rig (I'm thinking old logging tracks and rough roads, not over any big rocks or through more than about a foot of mud) and comfortable too, compared to a Jeep. Plus it's a bit of a novelty. Heck, maybe you just got lucky and hit the right person at the right time.

What your dad means is just get the car presentable and reliable. Don't do a full drivetrain rebuild, just put in valve stem seals if it smokes a little but still has good power. Only do enough to make it run well. If a customer gets interested and has a minor complaint negotiate additional repairs as necessary in the sale price. Basically just "fix it up" and don't worry a whole lot about 100% originality. Ramblers are the "entry level" cars in the old car hobby. To do a proper resto costs a lot, but to make a nice cruiser doesn't have to. Period looking aftermarket seat covers from LeBarron-Bonney are fine, and anywhere from 25-50% of the cost of getting original material and repairing or having covers made, and they make the car look nice and be an inexpensive, fun cruiser. Once someone falls in love with the car they can decide if they want to spend the extra money or enjoy it as is. Most opt for the later when they see they can't really get their
money back from a 100% r
esto, but some will want to spend the dough simply because they like the car. In that case you're spending for your personal enjoyment and a later sale doesn't matter. That's where most of us are!

The AMXs are a bit of a quandry. They need to be right to bring big money, but a good looking reliable driver that you don't have a lot into should still sale and make you a bit of profit, but not like a Mustang or Camaro. Mainly because as you noted, parts are out there but more expensive due to lower demand/volume. The AMC vendors get 100 repop parts made and take 3-5 years to sell out, the Mustang guys get 1000 and sell out in six months to a year.

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Editor - American Motors Cars Magazine
www.amc-mag.com

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If RockAuto won't refund, throw the Fram PH11 in the trash, worst filter
made, open one up sometime and see what is NOT inside.....

Armand

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> Just bought things from Rock Auto for the first time.
> Quite happy
>
> Lots of drum brake car parts..
> AMC rear axel seals..
> and more..
>
> Fram PH11 filters $1.28
> I should have bought more than 20..
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