Jumpin Jack Flash - it's the Natural Gas
OfflineWatching the Senate Hearings on C-span yesterday,
T-Boon Pickins [ almost like Howlin' Wolf ]
laid out for the Gov't to mandate all Fleet
Transportation - both Federal and Commercial -
to be converted / powered by Natural Gas.
He believes then the private vehicle sector
will make the shift.
The Alum. weiner pack LPG ' LNG fuel tanks -
still under $600.00 for tank alone.
http://tinyurl.com/36raha
115 Octane LPG would allow us
to run [?] compression ratio
for {?} HP / TQ @ $1.65 gal. ?
download page for PPi fuel tank:
http://www.propaneperformance.com/downloads/Brochure.pdf
Thank you for your enquiry for our Flat Propane Tanks.
Firstly I would like to introduce our USA agent, Sheri Vanhooser who is
CC's into this email.
She is available as a contact to purchase our tanks on sheridrv at juno.com
Prices for the tank size you requested are as follows:-
CT228-6-641 -- 19 gallons usable = US$371.78
CT305-7-641 -- 29 gallons usable = US$461.52
Model CT228-6-641 -
9 inch (228mm) high tank, 6 cell 29 inches 737mm) wide x 25.25inches
(641mm) long.
Capacity: 19 US gallons (usable)
CT305-
12 inches (305mm) high x 34.5 inches (876mm) wide x same length 25.25"
(641mm) long
Capacity: 29 US Gallons (usable)
These prices are delivered, and is the introductory price for the US
market.
Our tanks will be available just after the Christmas / new year period.
Kind regards
Guy Obren
Propane Performance Industries
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The GMI Fuel Injected LPG project:
http://tinyurl.com/awvbu
MC [matt] on this Bulltear does AMC intake manifold
mods to accept EFi injectors.
Not 'cheap' overall - but neither is $5 00gal. gasoline.
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NG and LPG are totally different beasts when it comes to fuel handling.
LP is a liquid, within 20% comparable to gasoline in BTU/lb. It's under
pressure, but it's just pumped in, fillup is otherwise the same as a
gasoline car. Max. operating pressure is like 150psi on a very hot day,
so tanks are manageable. Thick and heavy, but dealable, and quite safe.
Carrying 20 - 30 gallons in a car is doable, 100 in a pickup easy. LP
boils to a gas around 250:1 ratio. The infrastructure is old and loose,
and the tech simple enoguh you can do it yourself (I did) but it's not
quite legal in any state I've lived in; there's no legal place for
non-factory LP conversion any more (there used to be in CA).
Natural gas is a gas, not liquid. Pressures are in thousands of PSI,
like welding gases, and similar tank. Tanks are heavy, and a big deal.
Filling is slow and technically more difficult. I dunno how many CFM jam
into a tank. NG Civics get 200 - 250 miles/fillup, not too bad. I am
sure there is zero chance for a home conversion due to legal and
practical restrictions.
Tank capacity would probably be a factor for nationwide fleets, but
hardly an issue for intra-urban ones, like municipal busses where it's a
great match (and LA has the world's largest NG bus fleet).
Both are still a fossil fuel with all the carbon issues though, which is
gonna be a factor in long-term planning.
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Is NG not what the test bed studies were using in Canada?
Or are using?
I know they were working on a pilot program that allowed people to purchase/lease units.
You pulled in to your parking space in the evening, connected and when you got up in the morning the tank was full.
usage was metered and taxed as per road taxes etc;
All nice and legal.
I've no idea as to what becaome of the program.
Just read a few of the initial blubs on it.
since I live about 1/4mile from the nearest NG line and they seem in no hurry to provide service to us I figured it was pointless to do any further research.
Now, if I could get my hands on the compressor unit, car and lived up on the "farm" my wife and brother own. Well, lets say there free NG there...
--
Mark Price
Morgantown, WV
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrc II
" Chronic Pain Hurts"
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From: Tom Jennings
> NG and LPG are totally different beasts when it comes to fuel handling.
>
> LP is a liquid, within 20% comparable to gasoline in BTU/lb. It's under
> pressure, but it's just pumped in, fillup is otherwise the same as a
> gasoline car. Max. operating pressure is like 150psi on a very hot day,
> so tanks are manageable. Thick and heavy, but dealable, and quite safe.
> Carrying 20 - 30 gallons in a car is doable, 100 in a pickup easy. LP
> boils to a gas around 250:1 ratio. The infrastructure is old and loose,
> and the tech simple enoguh you can do it yourself (I did) but it's not
> quite legal in any state I've lived in; there's no legal place for
> non-factory LP conversion any more (there used to be in CA).
>
> Natural gas is a gas, not liquid. Pressures are in thousands of PSI,
> like welding gases, and similar tank. Tanks are heavy, and a big deal.
> Filling is slow and technically more difficult. I dunno how many CFM jam
> into a tank. NG Civics get 200 - 250 miles/fillup, not too bad. I am
> sure there is zero chance for a home conversion due to legal and
> practical restrictions.
>
> Tank capacity would probably be a factor for nationwide fleets, but
> hardly an issue for intra-urban ones, like municipal busses where it's a
> great match (and LA has the world's largest NG bus fleet).
>
> Both are still a fossil fuel with all the carbon issues though, which is
> gonna be a factor in long-term planning.
>
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Wrambler242 at comcast dot net wrote:
> I know they were working on a pilot program that allowed people to purchase/lease units.
> You pulled in to your parking space in the evening, connected and when you got up in the morning the tank was full.
> usage was metered and taxed as per road taxes etc;
> All nice and legal.
Yeah,I was think of engine/car NG conversion legality.
The only issue for home-filling, besides the separate collection of road
tax necessary in the US, is water. NG out of the ground is basically a
big earth fart, a lot of water, CO2, etc. You'd need a dryer for car
use, but I guess that's part of the fill-up gadget.
Road tax was one of those funny fall-between-the-cracks things with my
LP car. LP dispensers are supposed to add on road taxes when the stuff
goes in the car, but not when it goes in the BBQ. Most places I bought
from were either clueless, or realized that a sale was a sale, and the
chance of a tax inspector seeing my car being filled up and putting 2+2
together was nil.
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