" From: Archimedes
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" Anyone need a flattie and 3-spd manual trans from a '65 American?
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" Tech q: I have a 65 American with 232/AT. Will the trans from the
" flattie bolt up to the 232? I really... really prefer to stir my
" gears by hand.

yes it should.
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Archimedes wrote:

> Tech q: I have a 65 American with 232/AT. Will the trans from the flattie bolt up to the 232? I really... really prefer to stir my gears by hand.

It should be 100% interchangeable, manual to auto, and 195.6 to 232.

HOWEVER there was a funny 195.6 automatic trans crankshaft in some
years. The 232, and manual 195.6's, the crank flange is mainly flat on
the end, with a recess in the center; but the funny 195.6 auto butt has
a large raised volcano in the center. It sticks up a good inch, and is
rough-cast around the volcano slope and machined in the top for the bushing.

The 232 style has the pilot bushing flush with or recessed relative to
the flange (goign from memory). The old auto style has the bushing
subtantially rearward.
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Don't worry about the trans flange unless it's pre 62. 61 and earlier use a cast iron center section, 62 was the first of the aluminum trannys, and I know for sure they use the same flange as manual cars -- I've swapped 63 models between auto and manual. I'm not sure if the 57-61 Borg-Warner used that "volcano" crankshaft or not, but I don't think so. Pre 57 Ramblers used the GM Dual-Range Hydramatic -- that uses the special crank. As far as I know ALL the Borg-Warner autos use a flat flange crank, same as the manual trans.

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:32:20 -0700
From: Tom Jennings

> > Tech q: I have a 65 American with 232/AT. Will the trans from the flattie bolt up to the 232? I really... really prefer to stir my gears by hand.
>

It should be 100% interchangeable, manual to auto, and 195.6 to 232.

HOWEVER there was a funny 195.6 automatic trans crankshaft in some
years. The 232, and manual 195.6's, the crank flange is mainly flat on
the end, with a recess in the center; but the funny 195.6 auto butt has
a large raised volcano in the center. It sticks up a good inch, and is
rough-cast around the volcano slope and machined in the top for the bushing.

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i had todo an engine swap on a 61 classic cross country a year and a half ago. was going to just put in the 196 out of my parts 62 classic 2 door. the torque converter wouldnt go onto the crank of the man trans 196 from the 62. had to pull the crank out of the 61 196, and put it in the good 62 196. it all ended up working. funny thing however, i think one of the ULTIMATE rambler mentality moves, he didnt want to buy new bearings, rods or mains. so, he wanted me to swap the mains/rods from the 61 engine that went with the 61 crank, into the 62 rods/block.... suprisingly, the clearances were well... OK. and it ran pretty well. just thought that was pretty cheap....

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